2B or not 2B

[PrinceCharming]

Hi everyone.

I have just registered and want to share my experience with e-stim products after a year of use.

Over the last year I have purchased following in order:

ElectroPebble XPF Pack featuring:
- ElectroPebble
- Flange
- 2mm Conductive Rubber Loops
6mm Smooth UltraSound
2mm TENS Cable (to replace failing cables from XPF pack)
2B
2mm Conductive Rubber Loops (to replace failing loops from XPF pack)

My purchasing experience with E-Stim has been amazing - they generally dispatch orders within 2 hours of receiving them!

ElectroPebble XPF
I was new to e-stim when I purchased the ElectroPebble XPF pack. Within a week, I was convinced that this was hands-down the most stimulating, best value sex appliance I ever purchased. After only two weeks using this device on the 'Bounce' or 'Torment' programmes I was having a hands-free orgasm every time I used it - without fail. It's quite simply amazing! Is it perfect? No. The battery compartment is a complete nightmare, it is too small to remove the battery with your fingers - the only way to prise it out is with a flat bladed screw-driver. In addition, there is no socket for an external power supply - a major oversight in my opinion. They really need to fix these two issues I think and then the ElectroPebble will be perfection in a box. Then, there are the build quality issues. After only a month of use, my ElectroPebble began rattling. One of the screws retaining the PCB had come undone and was rattling around in the case. I reinserted it and tightened it up noting that there were no shake-proof washers fitted. I know they are going to say that there is a lifetime guarantee and I should have sent it back but this is basic engineering 101 and not fitting shake-washers and tightening the screws to a specific torque value is an act of engineering idiocy. Regardless of my comments the ElectroPebble is still an amazing product and worth every penny.

Cabling
The cable to my Flange started failing within 6 months of purchase and I repaired it myself by cutting off the 4mm plugs, trimming the cables back 2cm and soldering new plugs on. I knew the cable was failing because I was getting less and less stimulation to the Flange despite turning the controls higher and higher. A few months later the cable to my Conductive Rubber Loops also started to fail and was delivering less and less stimulation to the loops despite me turning the controls higher and higher. In this case, I purchased a new cable which solved the problem. I think E-stim cables are poor quality; they could use thicker cables with more strands for a longer lifetime. It's an inevitable fact that the cables will come under strain and awkward angles when used and I do not think E-Stim take this into account - the cables feel cheap and expendable to me.

Rubber Loops
Conductive rubber loops are amazing but I think that E-Stim need to let customers know that they degrade with use. After replacing the 2mm cables, I still thought there was something wrong with my ElectroPebble recently but it was just the case that my loops had degraded. I have just purchased new loops and the different is amazing! I measured the resistance of the old loops and they came to 26KOhm, the new loops came to 0.6KOhm. I think that shows why the old loops had to go in the bin - they just weren't conductive anymore. I think E-Stim need to document the fact that cables and rubber loops will degrade over time and will need replacing.

2B
I recently purchased the 2B because I had read that it was even more powerful and was the "Rolls-Royce" of e-stim units. I have had it a month now, tried it on all the programs, over a range of settings and it hasn't been able to give me the same level of stimulation the Pebble provides and an orgasm seems to be impossible with this unit. I have done my research, read that this unit needs a bit of practice to get the best out of it, but what am I missing? There are some usability issues with this unit too that irk me from the outset. On most programs I don't feel anything until I turn the controls up to 20% or 40% and once they get to 60% turning them higher doesn't seem to deliver any higher levels of stimulation. Contrast that with the Pebble - regardless of the program it starts delivering at 10% and keeps going up to 100%. I've tried playing around with the settings over many hours but the 2B just seems to consistently disappoint whatever the settings I try. I have read the forums and various websites and understand that this unit delivers 30% more power when ran from a power supply but that would still make it half as stimulating as an ElectroPebble! in addition, the battery level indicator seems to be completely random, depending on what you set the controls to it could report 80% charged or 20% charged from one second to the next. It's a complete waste of time. The encoder controls also don't seem to work properly - the faster you turn them the slower they go. If you turn them too quickly they stop working at all. And why does the LCD display start flashing when you turn the controls? On the ElectroPebble (the cheaper product) the controls always work quickly and accurately regardless of what speed you turn them. I was invested in the idea the 2B would be an upgrade over the Pebble but my experience is that if you want the best e-stim experience don't believe the hype around the 2B and go buy the Pebble.

If anyone has any tips on how to get the best out of the 2B I would love to hear them otherwise I fear it will be going on to eBay shortly.

[Stimaddict]

Hi PC - It's always difficult adapting to a new stimbox. When you are already familiar with something else it's a whole new learning curve. Give your 2B a chance, learn to get the best out of it and it will run circles around your Pebble. If you don't already have the mains adapter then get one because it's a game changer. Used properly your 2B will have you begging for mercy and cummin' back for more -- May I suggest reading these threads?

** Advice for *NEW* 2B owners - viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9716&p=14259

** 2B - Tips for 'smoothness': viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9602


You should also explore the 2B's stereo audio capabilities. If you would like to get hooked up with some really good stimfiles just drop me a PM.

** For advice on using audio files in Stereo Mode: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9670&p=14169#p14169

[admin]

Cabling
The cable to my Flange started failing within 6 months of purchase and I repaired it myself by cutting off the 4mm plugs, trimming the cables back 2cm and soldering new plugs on. I knew the cable was failing because I was getting less and less stimulation to the Flange despite turning the controls higher and higher. A few months later the cable to my Conductive Rubber Loops also started to fail and was delivering less and less stimulation to the loops despite me turning the controls higher and higher. In this case, I purchased a new cable which solved the problem. I think E-stim cables are poor quality; they could use thicker cables with more strands for a longer lifetime. It's an inevitable fact that the cables will come under strain and awkward angles when used and I do not think E-Stim take this into account - the cables feel cheap and expendable to me.

Cables are always a compromise. Too thick and people complain they are too still (answering one of your comments), too thin and they don't last as long. We ship 100s of cables and have very few failures, and we use the same cables in our test rigs which have movement and plugging/unplugging 100s of times a day.

Rubber Loops
Conductive rubber loops are amazing but I think that E-Stim need to let customers know that they degrade with use. After replacing the 2mm cables, I still thought there was something wrong with my ElectroPebble recently but it was just the case that my loops had degraded. I have just purchased new loops and the different is amazing! I measured the resistance of the old loops and they came to 26KOhm, the new loops came to 0.6KOhm. I think that shows why the old loops had to go in the bin - they just weren't conductive anymore. I think E-Stim need to document the fact that cables and rubber loops will degrade over time and will need replacing.

We do mention they are expendable items. The problem is its highly dependent on how you use them and in what environments. Silicon and organic lubes will degrade things much more quickly than water base, and it also depends on how often you use them.

The 2B is a complex box compared with the 2B, but given time you will discover its secrets. Everyone's experience is different, you just need to read a few comments on here to see that. Sometimes its a case of trying too hard, so relax take it slow and experiment.

Enjoy and have fun!!

Si

[Feltroncq]

Hi there,

Just wanted to encourage you to stick at it with the 2B. I’ve definitely had success with this unit.

My stimming journey began with a TENS unit, followed by an ET232, followed by the 2B.

I’ve had some success with all of these, although my favourite to date was the 232. I found the control workflow easier to use.

For me, one of the keys to e-stimming is getting in the mood. If you rush things, that’s often a step in the wrong direction. Some people have found poppers useful, but for me, I probably prefer watching or reading some porn.

My favourite programme is Waterfall and I nearly always run just one channel of e-stim using conductive rubber loops, one around the base and the other just under the rim of my cock. Almost always I crank up to the high power setting, as I’ve found the low power mode does not give enough range of stimulation.

What I don’t like about the 2B is the button to change programmes is often a bit hit and miss. Plus when you change programmes, you start from a zero output setting. On the 232 this was done in a simpler fashion.

[Ronfire7]

Hi PrinceCharming. I have all the same setup as you and followed your course of action as well. I also find I struggle with the 2B as well, Think I will try my Pebble tonight to play. I like how the Pebble works, I find the controls on the 2B to be cumbersome by comparison but do get better with time, don't turn them to quickly. I like to use the Commander to control the 2B, find it much easier and can control it much better. I find that the new software has a lot more options on settings and takes time to play with them all. I wish I could find a video/e-stim file that does not suddenly hurt you but still has interesting feel to it.
My favourite settings that I keep going back to are Bounce and A split and B split usually in triphase setup.

[GHHoss]

I wish I could find a video/e-stim file that does not suddenly hurt you but still has interesting feel to it.

Try some of Noel93's stimfiles. He seems to prefer stimfiles that don't have surprises.

[Ronfire7]

Thanks GHHoss Will try that next time, maybe tonight.

[Davespages]

Hi PrinceCharming. I have all the same setup as you and followed your course of action as well. I also find I struggle with the 2B as well, Think I will try my Pebble tonight to play. I like how the Pebble works, I find the controls on the 2B to be cumbersome by comparison but do get better with time, don't turn them to quickly. I like to use the Commander to control the 2B, find it much easier and can control it much better. I find that the new software has a lot more options on settings and takes time to play with them all. I wish I could find a video/e-stim file that does not suddenly hurt you but still has interesting feel to it.
My favourite settings that I keep going back to are Bounce and A split and B split usually in triphase setup.

If you PM Stimaddict and ask him to direct you to an audio stim file by 'Dr Orgasm' called masturbation by 60 hands.

Its about 20 minutes long. It has.a few different sensations but no sharp or nasty surprises.
The key element of the file is that it genuinely feels like someone is masturbating your cock.

Again, you need to be in the right frame of mind (although I find poppers really helps with that )
And my preferred electrode configuration is a bi-polar plug on channel b and a urethral plug/sound for channel a with a conductive sticky pad on the perineum (under my balls)

Turn the feel down to 10 for a very comfortable and easy ride