Safety of nipple stim

[birdburdy]

Hi,

I asked by GP (medical doctor) how safe e-stim was on the nipples, and I found the answer interesting. She was remarkably unphased and just responded that if it is a TENS unit then it's very safe. She said if misuse of TENS units was considered dangerous they wouldn't be available without a prescription, and since they've been around for a long time without serious problems they are considered very safe. She said they are aware that people misuse TENS units by putting the pads across the chest, and that this isn't as dangerous as you would think (still not advisable) but that it is much more dangerous to put the pads on the head or neck. Also anterior-posterior pad placements are a no-no too (putting on pad on the sternum and the other on the back), as this almost guarantees current through the heart.

Just thought I'd share this, first to see what people think and secondly for information purposes. I guess the issue is whether an e-stim systems control box can be considered on the same grounds as a TENS unit.

PS: I also noticed that ErosTek do not prohibit upperbody electrode placements unless a triphase cable is being used.

[admin]

We use the same standards as TENS units (EN 60601-15), so you assumption would be correct.

The problem with TENS and E-Stim across the chest is simply a case of risk, and perception of risk. We as a company have to err on the side of caution ,and try to keep things simple, so nothing across the chest is a good rule of thumb, but even using it across the chest in certain configurations provides very low risk, and other configurations would increase that risk. But what level of risk is dangerous? That is for the end user to decide. I know of many many people using E-Stim in all sort of configurations, and am aware of no known reports of any serious issues occurring. There is no such thing as zero risk, but try explaining that to some people...

Would I play with E-Stim across my chest? I have and I'm still here.... and I designed the 2B...

Si

[birdburdy]

Thanks for the reply. I personally don't (and probably wouldn't) play across the chest, as I don't see the need to.

One thing I've noticed with nipple stim using these bipolar electrodes [1] is that it very quickly gets very very intense. 20% power on low power is too much for most people (even less on throb mode), is this just because of the tiny electrode size?

[1] http://store.e-stim.co.uk/index.php?mai ... ucts_id=39

[estim_si]

Nipple stim is always going to be intense as the areas you are playing with are very very sensitive

Generally the smaller the contact area the more intense the sensation is going to be.

Si

[sremed]

looking around a lot about electro play in general and the safety of them ... In general the only real caution that comes into play are for people with implant. That said estim should be less of an issue considering a more direct path than let say a violet wand that has a more general path for the current. Some people even have tried the front to back placement and it didn't result any damage. The thing being that the current would normally not get high enough to cause harms (but here again people at risk can have issue and therefore no one will ever recommend that type of play that really doesnt have a lot of fun use to it...) The interesting part that came in for me: the literature suggest that for a person with cochlear implant even if the external part is removed interference can lead the person to hear noise. But at the final neither the 2b or the violet wand cause that kind of issue to my friend. In any case there is some really interesting literature online ...